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bark collars - spray or shock?

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  • 07-03-2008 9:01 PM

    • rolenta
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    bark collars - spray or shock?

    So, which collar is better, the spray collar or the electric collar?  I've heard people say the spray is more humane because it's not painful, and I've heard people say that the electric ones are more humane because the spray sticks to their faces, whereas the shock is over when it's over and doesn't last as long.  Which is more effective?  Are bark collars effective in general?  <P>

    Oh yes, and I would really appreciate it if this thread remained on the topic of collars themselves.  If you want to give me advice on barking or ask me personal questions, go to the "General" board and reply to my thread called "my dogs bark at my FIL".  This thread is just to discuss the collars themselves, their effectiveness, and their humaneness. 

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  • 07-03-2008 9:04 PM In reply to rolenta

    Re: bark collars - spray or shock?

     I have zero personal experience with them but know someone who used a spray collar.  It took her dog only a few days to figure out that if she barked nonstop for a while, she'd use up all the spray and then she could bark to her heart's content without being sprayed at all. 

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  • 07-03-2008 10:02 PM In reply to rolenta

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    Re: bark collars - spray or shock?

    I have experience with both types. We started with the citronella collar for our older lab, Buffy. Seemed to work well for awhile and then we'd come home every day and find that the spray was emptied. One time, I came home and the place reeked of citronella. Not a bad smell, but I finally saw what she was doing. She'd learned to bark and dodge right or left, so the spray wasn't bothering her - smart dog. For her, we had to go with the shock collar and even it hasn't been the answer to the problem.

    We then found out that our other lab was barking when we were at work, so we put the citronella collar on her. Honestly, she barked one time, was disgusted with the smell and it pretty much cured her. We only put it on her if we have to be gone and know that someone (gardener, pool guy) will be visiting next door. She's not a "live to bark" type dog though, so she was an easy fix. The other dog will bark if a leaf blows by, so results haven't been great with either collar.

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  • 07-04-2008 7:14 AM In reply to cakana

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    Re: bark collars - spray or shock?

     I have one for Dixie, my golden retriever. It stops her "real" barks, but not the nuisance barking. She learned to bark at a high pitch that does not set off a spray, yay. much better, lol. So, if you decide to get a spray collar, you might want to look at a remote controlled model.


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  • 07-04-2008 8:19 AM In reply to ingemk

    Re: bark collars - spray or shock?

    the shock ones work far better than the sprays.

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  • 07-04-2008 9:43 AM In reply to mudpuppy

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    Re: bark collars - spray or shock?

     

    I bought an ultra sonic "bark box" for my crew. It works very nicely on 5 of the 6. I've never tried collars, so have no experience with either variety, but the bark box thingee works quite nicely.  I've had it since March and it hasn't lost it's effectiveness.

    In my situation, being in the RV and needing to keep the crew quiet, and of course, if one barks everyone feels the need, this was a far more cost effective solution for me.  Little Theo barks at his own shadow, but he's always so close to me that all I have to do is reach down, touch him and say QUIET and he shuts up.  The others remember that box.

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  • 07-13-2008 6:23 PM In reply to mudpuppy

    Re: bark collars - spray or shock?

    shock ones are better - TriTronics Bark Limiter works well.... I believe in my shock collar for training, but I'd avoid all bark collars until it's the last choice you have.  They are not fun - they're much "hotter" than training collars - the bark collars are designed to be advsersives - and they are good at that.  But you need to limit the time that dog wears the collar. 

    Unlike shock training collars, most shock bark collars have to be positioned the same way every time the dog wears it, so that the device is over their vocal chords and only reacts to THAT dogs barking - not ambient noise.  For that reason, the bark collars can rub a dog sore without the owner paying a lot of attention to properly caring for the skin on the neck, etc.


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  • 07-23-2008 8:58 PM In reply to miranadobe

    Re: bark collars - spray or shock?

    The difference between the two is that citronella might be unpleasant, but it doesn't hurt.  In my opinion, you don't have to cause pain to train.  And, too many dogs are "one trial learners", which means that one traumatic experience may have long lasting effects.  One of the pre-eminent veterinarian behaviorists in the country, Karen Overall, has taken the "against" position, and I agree with her.

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  • 09-12-2008 12:15 PM In reply to spiritdogs

    Re: bark collars - spray or shock?

     do you have any other dogs??

     

    I got a shock one for our little dog - as soon as it gets dark she barks non-stop.  BUT if one of the other dogs barks - she gets shocked too.  So def better suited to a one dog environment.

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  • 09-15-2008 2:02 AM In reply to rolenta

    Re: bark collars - spray or shock?

    I don't think we can know whether a shock or a spray collar is more unpleasant for a dog. I've heard various people say that the spray isn't unpleasant to the dog, it just distracts the dog enough to interrupt the barking. Balderdash! If all that was happening was that the spray was a distractor, then water would work just as well. To the extent that the spray collars work at all, they work because the smell of the spray is unpleasant. Humans generally find a shock to hurt more than a spray of citronella, but dogs' sense of smell is something like 10,000 to a million times more sensitive than ours is. So, I wouldn't feel terribly confident in assuming that a shock feels worse to a dog than an intense smell in the face. What we do know is that a spray collar is the gift that keeps on giving long after the barking has stopped. It seems to me that these spray collars violate a basic principle of training - that whatever correction one may give should go away immediately when the unwanted behavior stops. I've never used either collar myself, but I know a couple people who soon discarded their spray collars. They said the collar worked great at first, but soon became ineffective. My guess is that initially the dog associated the spray with barking, but after a while the odor was always present, whether the dog was barking or not, so the spray no longer was an effective deterrent. Plus, as a couple other posters have pointed out, some dogs learn to empty the cartridge, and then bark away to their heart's content. The few people I know who have used electronic collars say the dog learns very quickly how to avoid the shock, and that they are very effective as long as the dog is wearing the collar. A couple people I know feel that they only need to put the collar on the dog periodically as a "reminder" not to bark. Some find that after only a couple experiences with the collar, they could remove the batteries, and the dog would curb his barking as long as the collar was on. Some found that the dog would "test" the collar as if checking to see if it was live, and so would have to wear the collar more or less continuously, and with charged batteries at all times. I've also heard indirectly of dogs that have developed sores on their necks from having to wear the collars for extended periods, and I've also heard indirectly of some dogs being so seriously freaked out by their first experience with the shock that they became panicky and barked worse, which caused more shocks which caused more panic.... not good. Then again, I've never met anyone in person who had this experience, so I don't know how common this is, or if it's an urban legend. If I were in a position where I felt I must resort to a remote collar, I would spend the big bucks to get a good quality electronic collar with an adjustable setting, and I would absolutely make sure I checked my dog's neck daily for any sign of soreness. I would not waste my money on a spray collar.
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  • 09-15-2008 8:52 AM In reply to buster the show dog

    Re: bark collars - spray or shock?

     My problem with the spray ones is that it continues to annoy the dog. A shock collar give a shock and that's it. A spray collar leaves the scent on the dog - which I think is an unfair correction.

     

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  • 09-15-2008 1:34 PM In reply to buster the show dog

    Re: bark collars - spray or shock?

    buster the show dog:
    I've also heard indirectly of dogs that have developed sores on their necks from having to wear the collars for extended periods, and I've also heard indirectly of some dogs being so seriously freaked out by their first experience with the shock that they became panicky and barked worse, which caused more shocks which caused more panic.... not good. Then again, I've never met anyone in person who had this experience, so I don't know how common this is, or if it's an urban legend. If I were in a position where I felt I must resort to a remote collar, I would spend the big bucks to get a good quality electronic collar with an adjustable setting, and I would absolutely make sure I checked my dog's neck daily for any sign of soreness. I would not waste my money on a spray collar.

      Sores can develop from the use of e-collars and dummy e-collars. It is not the shock that causes them however but the pressure of the prongs against the skin over a prolonged period of time, especially if there is any moisture or residue between the prongs and skin. The instructions come with bark collars caution that the collar should not be worn more than 12 hours at a time and the prongs should be kept clean.

     I use electric bark collars on my dogs. They keep me and my neighbors happy, which keeps the dogs happy too. I have used them for years now, although only a few of the dogs need them. Some learned not to be problem barkers from prolonged use and no longer need to wear them. My biggest problem barker (the reason I bought my first bark collar) never learned to stop barking from the collar use and this year, she decided she will bark with or without the collar on. Everyone else - you put a collar on and they know to be quiet and some don't even need a "live" collar any more. So they don't work on ALL dogs but IME they do work on most. They have to be fit snug on the neck and with a hairy dog, you have to be sure the prongs are making contact with the skin.

     When I bought the first bark collar, I did a lot of research and asking about which type to get. Overall, I didn't get much positive feedback about cit collars from people who used them. One person has had to repeatedly return her's due to it not working properly and everyone else seemed to think they were only moderately effective at best and didn't like how pricey it was to keep buying the refills. My mostly use the collars outdoors in a group of dogs as well, so the cit collars would not be as well suited for my situation - one dog barks at the fence line and everyone would get corrected.

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  • 09-28-2008 11:54 PM In reply to AgileGSD

    Re: bark collars - spray or shock?

    My dog barks non-stop whenever I leave for work. After a few months my patient neighbor was at the end of her wits and complained. Bought a shock collar with a probe that detects vibration on the throat, been pretty effective since.

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