Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL?

• 10-15-2009 4:05 PM

  Abbeyroad86 Joined on 08-26-2009 Posts 124 Points 35

  Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact   There are talks of BSL in our area again and we don't know if we can beat it this time and all of us mutt owners are getting scared and so are the pit owners.   Neighbor of ours said we should do therapy training being that we have a mutt. That is why I have been asking about it a bit. her pit bull went through therapy dog training. The dog can live in apartments with breed restrictions. (No apartements around here allow Pit bulls, dobies, GSDs, akitas, chows, huskies, rotties, or anything resembling those breeds unless they are Therapy certified or sevice certified) The dog isn't affected by BSL. She says she suggest to anyone who has a good dog that could be at risk to put it through therapy dog training/service dog training and the dog would be safe. Is this true or just a misconception. Because if it meant my dog would be safe I would do it in a heartbeat. Maybe thats the wrong reason to do it but hey. We have won against BSL 4 times now but this time they kind of snuck it up on us and we don't know if we can stay BSL free this time   My dog passed 3 levels of obedience about to get CGC certification. And we are hoping to continue on if indeed that will work to keep her safe, we feel she may be at risk If it passes this time : No grandfather law. Any dog with a broad chest, wide head, shorter fur. Anything resembling a pit big or small. would have to be turned over A Dog is a true friend for life

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• 10-15-2009 4:15 PM

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  miranadobe Joined on 04-06-2006 Purgatory Posts 5,447 Points 315

  Re: Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact Abbeyroad86: Is this true or just a misconception. Because if it meant my dog would be safe I would do it in a heartbeat. Perhaps it depends on where you live.  Your profile doesn't say where you're from. I know here in Denver the pit bull types are banned altogether and there is ZERO tolerance/acceptance at this point.  There's more recent local fights to get some exceptions, but none are based on Therapy nor Assistance Dog certification/registration. Paige - dog.community moderator & Gracie - 6yr old Doberman www.fortunatek9.com Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth. ~W. Hamilton "So you've 'had dogs all your life'? I've had teeth all my life. Doesn't make me a dentist." - JV McDonough, Certified Dog Trainer

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• 10-15-2009 4:35 PM

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  Abbeyroad86 Joined on 08-26-2009 Posts 124 Points 35	Re: Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact Tennessee. At the moment but its temporary.  We travel a lot though A Dog is a true friend for life
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• 10-15-2009 5:03 PM

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  miranadobe Joined on 04-06-2006 Purgatory Posts 5,447 Points 315

  Re: Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact Abbeyroad86: We travel a lot though Well, be careful and avoid Denver if you think your dog looks pit-ish.  Transporting or possessing a dog that appears to be pit bull type makes it subject to confiscation and evaluation by a panel to determine if it is a pit.  Although, from your pics, yours doesn't look like a pit type. You can always research your state and city laws on www.animallaw.info  For TN: http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stustnst44_17_101_505.htm - doesn't include your local (town or county) laws.  You'd be responsible to check the areas where you travel. Paige - dog.community moderator & Gracie - 6yr old Doberman www.fortunatek9.com Fight for your opinions, but do not believe that they contain the whole truth, or the only truth. ~W. Hamilton "So you've 'had dogs all your life'? I've had teeth all my life. Doesn't make me a dentist." - JV McDonough, Certified Dog Trainer

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• 10-15-2009 6:16 PM

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  Liesje Joined on 03-02-2007 Posts 9,917 Points 655

  Re: Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact The laws vary state to state, but generally *only* service dogs are protected and *only* in "public" areas (not schools, housing complexes, etc).  So my gut reaction would be no, because first of all taking a therapy dog class is no different than taking any other obedience class, it's just a class.  A therapy dog is different than a Service Dog (a Service Dog does tasks for people with disabilities who need that dog to perform that task in order to have a normal life).  Even non-public areas like schools and housing complexes can prohibit service dogs.  Some have their own rules that do not permit pets but allow therapy dogs and/or service dogs. There is also no legit "registration" or certifying organization for Service Dogs.  Some advertise as such but these are scams.  Basically anyone can send in papers and money and get a "service dog" registration, but this does not make a dog a true Service Dog.  It needs to perform specific tasks that assist a disabled owner, which generally takes years of training. http://vankelderdogs.dutchbingo.net http://www.schhmi.com

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• 10-15-2009 8:31 PM

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  Bruister Joined on 09-19-2009 British Columbia, Canada Posts 153 Points 35	Re: Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact  Get those concerned to join local anti BSL teams Say No To Breed Specific Legislation...
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• 10-17-2009 10:52 PM

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  AgileGSD Joined on 09-16-2007 Posts 1,038 Points 65	Re: Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact I believe there are places that have exceptions for dogs who have passed CGC tests but certainly CGCs don't protect from BSL across the board. I'd guess BSL in most places is without exception.
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• 10-17-2009 11:00 PM

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  erica1989 Joined on 02-21-2007 Clearwater, Florida Posts 4,363 Points 410	Re: Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact  I agree with Lies. Therapy dogs and SERVICE dogs are very different. My dog could be a 'therapy' dog - easily. BUT - becoming a service dog is not that easy. The dog has to have a purpose - from what I understand. Seizure alert, seeing-eye-dog, etc.
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• 10-20-2009 11:21 AM

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  Dogleadme Joined on 01-26-2008 Posts 39 Points 10

  Re: Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact No. Service dogs have to abide by local laws just as any other pet does, the only difference being the public access guarantees protected by the ADA. Service dogs still have to be vaccinated, licensed (with a county/city license if applicable, not some phoney-baloney "certification"), and their handlers have to follow all the laws that "regular" dog owners do. Just as a note to clarify: having a dog with a "therapy" dog registration does not allow one to live in "no-pets" housing or places with breed restrictions. All a "therapy" dog is is a pet dog that has training to visit schools, nursing homes, hospitals, libraries and the like by special invitation. Handlers of "therapy" dogs do not have rights of public venue access and the dogs are nothing more than pets in the eyes of the law. Your friend is either lying about what has transpired with their dog, or has lied to take advantage of someone elses mis-interpretation or ignorance of actual service dog law. One needs to be very careful in listening to others who are not well informed concerning service dog law. This includes the answerers on Yahoo, where you also asked this question.

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• 10-20-2009 1:54 PM

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  denise m Joined on 12-06-2006 Toronto Canada Posts 1,605 Points 200

  Re: Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact In Ontario the BSL had a grandfather clause, which meant people were allowed to keep their dogs, they just couldn't acquire a new dog that fell under the banned breeds. The only restrictions were the dog had to be spayed/nutered, leashed and muzzled in public. Make sure your ownership is registered somewhere.

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• 10-21-2009 5:36 PM

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  Abbeyroad86 Joined on 08-26-2009 Posts 124 Points 35

  Re: Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact I guess the thing  that bothers me is people in the past have mistaken my 19lb JRT mix for a pit bull.  And that scares me if BSL is passed because if some idiot thinks my dog is a Pit Bull I'm afraid she could be taken from me.  doesn't matter that she is only 19lbs A Dog is a true friend for life

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• 10-21-2009 6:06 PM

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  spiritdogs Joined on 09-10-2007 Posts 11,729 Points 1,020

  Re: Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact   Abbeyroad86: I guess the thing  that bothers me is people in the past have mistaken my 19lb JRT mix for a pit bull.  And that scares me if BSL is passed because if some idiot thinks my dog is a Pit Bull I'm afraid she could be taken from me.  doesn't matter that she is only 19lbs In some of the pictures you posted, she looks like she may have some Staffordshire Bull Terrier in her, which is a small breed compared to Pits.  You, and other owners of mixed breeds, should be scared, because not too many ACO's can really identify what is or is not a Pit, and local officials will often take their word.  http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html  I tried to get a Boston ACO to take the test at a public hearing once - needless to say, she refused.   Your best defense is your veterinarian's record of what breed your dog appears to be.  Vets, despite the fact that many of them aren't terrific at breed ID, have more credibility with the public. While therapy dogs do not have public access rights, and the CGC or therapy dog designations will not help in areas where there are bans on bully breeds, it's a good idea to get a CGC anyway.  It can sometimes help in getting housing, or with getting homeowners or renters insurance.   Regional Director for Massachusetts, International Positive Dog Training Association Director, SeniorCare Pawsitive Connections Program AKC CGC Evaluator #3669 Therapy Dogs, Inc. Tester/Observer Sioux, CGC, TDInc. Maska, CGC, TDInc. Sequoyah, CGC Fergie, Retired Lap Dog, Age 20 1/2 Dancer, CGC, TDInc. (1989-2006) #1 Heart Dog In memory of Mike, please become an organ donor today. "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them and what you do not know, you will fear. What one fears, one destroys." - Chief Dan George "The fidelity of a dog is a precious gift demanding no less binding moral responsibilities than the friendship of a human being. The bond with a true dog is as lasting as the ties of this earth can ever be." ~ Konrad Lorenz

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• 10-22-2009 9:14 AM

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  AgileGSD Joined on 09-16-2007 Posts 1,038 Points 65

  Re: Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact spiritdogs: In some of the pictures you posted, she looks like she may have some Staffordshire Bull Terrier in her, which is a small breed compared to Pits.  You, and other owners of mixed breeds, should be scared, because not too many ACO's can really identify what is or is not a Pit, and local officials will often take their word    And Staffy Bulls are often included in "pit bull" BSL, as they are considered a "pit bull breed".

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• 10-22-2009 11:08 AM

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  Abbeyroad86 Joined on 08-26-2009 Posts 124 Points 35

  Re: Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact Her mom was a Jack Russell Terrier (suspected to be mixed with beagle or some other hound).  Dad was suspected to be a Chi/Corgi mix.   I'm 99 percent sure that she is JRT/Chi/Corgi (an obviously some hound)   There is no staffy in that dog.   I got nervous for awhile after some kid called her a pit bull  but I really believe there is no staffy in that dog.   Now I ask questions about her breeds a lot though, its a fun guessing game. But there is no way there is staffy in that dog (especially staffy bull terrier, they aren't the leanest sleek looking dogs dogs (kind of short and bulky, not long and lean) no offense I'm sure they are great dogs, in my opinion, There is just no way.  She also has very little terrier behavior either.   She is very low energy, except when she tries to heard things.  She herds people and other dogs, something we are working on.   And when she tries to hunt things.  Squirrels, rabits, vermin.    She is a little dog not much bigger than our toy poodle, she rides in a stroller to the flea market, and she insists on being carried around.   She is a very lazy couch potato who would rather watch tv than go for her daily walk.  Does that sound like any type of terrier to you?     (Especially a pit breed) A Dog is a true friend for life

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• 10-22-2009 11:36 AM

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  Abbeyroad86 Joined on 08-26-2009 Posts 124 Points 35	Re: Is it true if your dog passes Therapy training or service dog training they won't be affected by BSL? Reply Contact By the way all her records state she is a JRT/chihuahua mix.    including her records before adoption A Dog is a true friend for life
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