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Sleep, or the Inability to (aDork)

Last post 05-08-2009 1:57 AM by Sunshinegirl. 19 replies.
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  • 05-07-2009 11:31 PM In reply to scrubsfiend

    Re: Sleep, or the Inability to (aDork)

     I went through that a few years ago, in undergrad. I'd be up exchanging emails with one of my professors at 3am, and she was telling me to go to bed. In my case, it was partially to do with a medication, which I figured out and got off, and partly to do with having so much on my mind. I'd get up and think of it, and have to complete it to get back to sleep. Or, I'd go to sleep and be thinking of something I had to remember the next day, like take a certain thing with me. I solved that mostly with a dry erase board. If I need to remember to do something, I write it on my dry erase. It's directly next to my bedroom door, so I always see it when I walk out of the room.

    I have no problems right now, and I can sleep just about anywhere, on a train, at a hostel, wherever. I sort of conditioned a movie to put me to sleep. Everytime I put on V for Vendetta the first few times, I was really tired, and always fell asleep watching it. Now, even not tired, I cannot stay awake for it. I have never seen the whole thing. I was going to try watching it last time I was on the train, it was only 5, and before I put it on, I wasn't tired. 15 minutes later, I was nodding off, and decided I couldn't watch it, since I wanted to sleep normally that night. I'll probaby never see all of it.

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  • 05-08-2009 12:04 AM In reply to aDorkable

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     You have gotten a lot of great advice and I also think a trip to the doc might be in order AND Jackie's suggestion of a sleep study is really something to consider, but a doc can look at several things and perhaps try and help rule out stuff like sleep apnea, etc.

    Where I WOULD caution you about a doc is that all too often people are ready to toss you a pill to deal with the issue, and I don't think that this would be among my top 10 list of things to try at this point. I would try a few changes/ additions and then also make a appt with your doc to rule out anything medical.

    Some of these are going to be overlap from what others have said but in general,  avoid anything that might have caffeine, as well as get on a regular routine of going to bed and waking at the same time, no nap taking, no falling asleep on the couch, no TV watching in bed. Your bed should be a place where your body learns its time to sleep, not stay up for hours using brain power. Look at distractions that might be happening at night and if they are audio distractions, then consider a white noise machine. Make sure your rooms temp is to your liking, that your sleep positioning is conducive to good sleep.  

    Now additionally, PREPPING YOURSELF for sleep is really important. There are things you can do to help you fall asleep easier and one of them is to get yourself hooked on some sort of meditation/ relaxation type of audio. You can get a CD or if you have an ipod there are TONS of free relaxation and meditation podcasts available for download.  The biggest key is finding one you like which is why the free podcasts are so great. there is nothing worse than being annoyed by the persons voice as they attempt to relax you.  these help put your mind in a state where you focus on your breathing and clearing your mind and helping to get your thoughts to slow down.  The nice thing about these is that once you find one you like, when your body gets use to hearing it and going to sleep, it can help get you right to sleep. Its almost like it becomes an "on" switch for sleep because your mind starts to associate the sounds with sleep time. I use one when I am having sleep problems or restless nights and it puts me out within minutes of my head hitting the pillow.  I also use it in the middle of the night if I wake up and can't fall right back asleep.

    The last thing I want to mention since I brought up breathing is that another great, medication free option. This is biofeedback and some hospitals and medical programs offer biofeedback services. Essentially you have your heartrate, bloodpressure, muscle tension and breathing monitored so that you can learn how to control them better through proper breathing, relaxation, etc. We use it a lot at our hospital for pain control, headaches, insomnia, PTSD with our military, stress reduction,  etc.

     good luck.. hope soem of the suggestions folks have given you help you!  


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  • 05-08-2009 12:06 AM In reply to aDorkable

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    Re: Sleep, or the Inability to (aDork)

    I've had sleeping issues since I was in high school and now I'm in my mid 40's...
    I have a hard time falling asleep, it can take anywhere from 2 to 4 hours...and then I usually sleep for 3 or 4 hours...
    Then I'm reading or on the computer or watching a movie...

    I've tried everything everyone has said, but nothing works for me...
    My hubby literally puts his head on the pillow and he's asleep, it frustrates me...
    And then Talus and hubby snore really loud and I just can't fall asleep...

    My doctor says it's probably stress related and that I think too much...

    Let us know what the doc says for you...

     Maria

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  • 05-08-2009 12:30 AM In reply to aDorkable

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    Callie -- Chocolate is one of the luxuries I allow myself, and there seem to be so few now. In the past, when I drank soda (now I might have one or two every 6 months, usually at lunch), I could drink Mountain Dew, a whole big glass of it, then go brush my teeth and go to bed. I haven't seen an effect from chocolate or caffeine in my regular dis/ability to sleep. I do, however, drink tea (more so in the summer). I'm fairly certain that I drink decaf (or will be drinking decaf).

    "I haven't seen an effect from chocolate or caffeine in my regular dis/ability to sleep." -- yeah, you probably ARE -- it's called sleeplessness or an inability to STAY to sleep. 

    Different caffeine's can 'feel' different.  Coffee caffeine doesn't make me jittery - -I just plain can't go to sleep or stay asleep.  TEA?  hooo boy -- I LOVE it (and it has zero calories *sigh*) BUT tea caffeine will literally give me an unpleasant shakey feeling inside.  Didn't used to be that way but it is NOW.  And again, I'll have to drink it super watered down.

    "Chocolate is one of the luxuries I allow myself"  Try carob.  or try something else -- chocolate will likely keep ME awake more than anything else and that's SUX because if we go out for a nice dinner, I can't have a splurge dessert because ... dang chocolate keeps me awake.  ONE piece of Godiva will wire me any more.

    What I'm really saying is -- your body changes as you mature.  (Sorry folks -- "mature" is an ongoing process til death do us part -- and unfortunately for me, it often has little to do with my behavior *sigh* pffffftttttttt)

    True story --

    Back when I was about 19 I worked in a factory as a time keeper.  NO trouble sleeping at all (finding enough time TO sleep was the problem b/c I worked two jobs and a double shift at one of them).  But I'd get to work at 4:30 a.m. and the morning shift "line" would all buy me cups of coffee and park them on my windowsill in my "cubby" and I'd drink ALL of them before they got cold.  Woke me up and man, I could get right to work.  Drank coffee most of the day ... but I got to the point where my hands would shake and I felt really agitated.  Never thot about it and went to the dr. who asked me how much coffee I drank ...

    Needless to say he unplugged ME ... *sigh*  but as I've aged (not gracefully, ok?  I never claimed to grow older gracefully) but I've seen my self change radically in how I deal with food and drink. 

    I used to see food as a "reward" or an indulgence or a luxury -- but you know what?  Being sleepless and then worrying about everything in the world tends to make everything blacker and harder than it needs to be and the luxuries I allowed myself tended to actually exacerbate the very problems I was trying to escape from ...

    And the thing that was REALLY hard for me to deal with was the knowledge eventually that the very things I was using as a "luxury" were actually a prison -- because if I tried to go without chocolate it was all I could think about ... or I'd get a headache or ... it was as if it was more a "control" than it was a luxury. 

    Now if I want something "sweet" I'll either splurge on fruit (NOT an apple -- an apple is about as "special" as ... nothing ... but something like strawberries or raspberries) ... OR if you have a freezer at your disposal then try something like sorbet.  Something a bit rich and exciting to the taste. 

    I have a feeling if you really examine it you may find that the refined sugars and caffeine in chocolate may truly be part of the trigger to your sleeplessness.  The only way you'll know is change ... and a one night change won't do it (particularly if you are feeling 'deprived' which will make you sleepless)

    Another time in my life (I'd gone back to school when I was 30 and I was working at the school part time) every day after lunch I would bring candy back from my lunch break -- either M&Ms or Jolly Ranchers (the hotter the cinnamon the better mmmmm) but every day at work about 3:00 I was getting the WORST migraine.  I kept thinking it had to do with the fluorescent lights or the glare from the paper, but one of the ladies I worked with pointed out to me that most every day I had candy at my desk (I always shared) -- I used to make it "last" all afternoon usually but I always had something.

    Lo and behold -- I didn't bring candy for a few days and .. wow -- no headache.  It really drove home a point to me that something habitual like that usually has other effects.  At that time I'm pretty sure stress was a major player too BUT in order to cope I caved and stopped the candy.  I wasn't happy but it did work.  And you may find getting better rest will help your stress level.

    I know ... none of this is "good news" and it's NOT the kind of thing you're going to want to hear.  And I'm not preaching at you .. it's only what *I* have found and man, I hate it when stuff like this wrecks what little fun I might be having.  But I've learned to simply plan for it ... and then when I literally make time TO enjoy it when it won't mess with my schedule it really IS an enjoyment.

    Try taking a fresh look thru the grocery store -- look for something else that is as much a "treat" but maybe just ... well, something you don't usually do.  Like a frozen fruit bar, or Animal Crackers or cashews (oops, I'm going to name all my own guilty pleasures here).  Stuff that won't wreck your sleep but will still be a treat.

    I still think one of the saddest days in my life was when I discovered Barq's root beer had freaking caffeine in it.  *sigh* 


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  • 05-08-2009 1:57 AM In reply to calliecritturs

    Re: Sleep, or the Inability to (aDork)

    I have been dealing with insomnia issues for several years now. Originally I was experiencing the same thing as you with waking up several times throughout the night and staring at the ceiling wishing I could go back to sleep or laying there worrying about stuff I couldn't control, so I tried Melatonin 3 mg subliminal tablets that disolve under your tongue. It worked for a while, but then I would start waking up at 3 am and couldn't fall back asleep, so I increased my dosage until it just wasn't working for me. When it was working for me I really liked it because I never felt "hung-over" in the morning and it's natural.

    Then I switched to Tylenol PM, it worked great for several months and I never felt groggy in the morning, but eventually I had to increase my dosage for it to work and was up to 3 pills before turning out the lights, I knew I had to make a change so on the pharmacist's advice I tried Unisom - it worked, but I couldn't shake the grogginess in the morning, it was awful.

    So I went to my dr and he prescribed Ambien and I've been on it for over 2 years. It works great, if you use it properly, i.e. take it, trun the lights out and go to sleep - you will sleep thru the night with no grogginess, however...... I don't care what the tv ads say, it IS habit forming and very difficult to get off of. You have to taper off of it slowly or there are major withdrawals, it's horrible!!!! For me it was anyway, so I opted to stay on it. Recently I've been dealing with a lot of stress with my new job and apartment, etc. and I just don't want to go to sleep at night - it's now 1:42 am, I took my Ambien 20 minutes ago and will probably be awake for a little while. I just don't want tomorrow to come, so I stay awake sometimes until 4am, it's not good. Also, if I don't go right to sleep when I take it I'll wander into the kitchen and get stuff to eat and sometimes not remember it the next day - I only know because I find candy wrappers next to the bed, etc. Once recently I fell asleep eating Dove chocolate (with the caramel inside-yum!) and ate half the piece, fell asleep and the other half got all over my brand new white comforter ~ nice!! Not very attractive and what a mess!!!

    I really need to force myself to take the Ambien no later than 11pm, turn the lights out, put my sleep mask on (sleep masks are wonderful) and go to sleep. I start a new job Monday and cannot be up until 3-4 am when I have to be up by 5:30 - 6am......... (I've been off work for 2 weeks after falling and hurting myself at work - talk about more stress!!)

    You have gotten some really great advice here - mine would be to go see the dr and see what they say, but I would suggest trying the melatonin or something natural and non-habit forming first along with maybe drinking some caffeine-free chamomile tea before bed and setting your room up for a good night's sleep. Make sure your room is really dark, try a sleep mask, and if there is any street noise, get a fan or air cleaner to create "white-noise" ( I also have that and it does help - when I'm not going thru this funkiness), make sure the temperature of your room is comfortable for sleep.... I prefer it to be cool, 69 - 70 degrees..... and I can't sleep without Abbie and Layla curled up next to me. Layla's here snoring away right now!!

    Good luck! I hope you start getting some good sleep soon!!

    Sunshine Girl
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