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Pleasantly surprised (CM thingy)

Last post 09-26-2008 7:40 PM by Angelique. 13 replies.
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  • 07-12-2008 4:30 PM

    Pleasantly surprised (CM thingy)

     I bought CM's book Ceasar's way and was pleasantly surprised. According to his book I was only a leader 90% of the time. Which is understandable since I really didn't care what Maze did on our walks except for pulling and barking at other dogs. So after finishing his book I took Maze for an hour long walk today and took some of his tips and tried them out.

    I must admit I was walking a different dog. We walked along the beach and ran in to some people walking their dogs off leash. They asked if the dogs could meet and I explained that Maze isn't the friendliest and may snap but they could meet if they still wanted to. I put Maze in a sit and made sure she was calm before I let her say Hi. Well to my surprise, Maze not only didn't snap or growl, she started to PLAY!  

    So I take back my previous opinions (which where not that nice) and am willing to try again with an open mind Smile That being said, I'm on my way to the book store to find his other book and see what else I can improve on. 

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  • 07-12-2008 5:59 PM In reply to oranges81

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    Re: Pleasantly surprised (CM thingy)

     

    I liked his second book more than his first as he explains things a little more in that one.

     I noticed today in the pet store that not only does he have a new line of dog food but he also has a line of scent removal products.

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  • 07-16-2008 5:18 PM In reply to dgriego

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    I don't like the merchindise part of the business. Seeing as in one of his episodes, you see him feeding Pedigree to his dogs. Lol.  I'm not gonna rush out and buy the products either but I'm not gonna judge a "trainer" before I research them again.. Lesson learned Smile

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  • 07-16-2008 6:02 PM In reply to oranges81

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    Re: Pleasantly surprised (CM thingy)

    It's a good lesson and one we can apply to lots of other things in our lives. We too often take the opinions of those we respect with little or no personal examination. But the truth is not everything is 100% good or 100% bad. If you utilize the good from every philosophy you are more apt to find a nice balance.  



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  • 07-16-2008 8:51 PM In reply to oranges81

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     I like him and have found alot of his philosophies are used in other areas without people knowing it.  Maybe he got them from other places, I don't know.  In my book discussion group we were discussing telegraphing worry or fear down the leash to our fearful dogs and someone said when they think of something that makes them calm or confident, they see a difference in their dogs.  When I explained that's a trick he uses on owners all the times, they all seemed shocked and immediately launched into stories of how he kicks dogs and chokes them.  Confused  I've FINALLY decided that I'm going to use what works with my dogs and not try to totally subscribe to just 1 method to the exclusion of all others.  I'm trying to read or watch as much as possible, try it out with my dogs and if it seems to show promise, continue or try something else if it doesn't.  


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  • 07-17-2008 6:31 PM In reply to BCMixs

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    Re: Pleasantly surprised (CM thingy)

    BCMixs:
    I've FINALLY decided that I'm going to use what works with my dogs and not try to totally subscribe to just 1 method to the exclusion of all others.  I'm trying to read or watch as much as possible, try it out with my dogs and if it seems to show promise, continue or try something else if it doesn't.  

     

     I agree 100%

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  • 07-17-2008 6:38 PM In reply to dgriego

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    Re: Pleasantly surprised (CM thingy)

    dgriego:

    BCMixs:
    I've FINALLY decided that I'm going to use what works with my dogs and not try to totally subscribe to just 1 method to the exclusion of all others.  I'm trying to read or watch as much as possible, try it out with my dogs and if it seems to show promise, continue or try something else if it doesn't.  

     

     I agree 100%

     

    Same here.  I have his 2nd book and I learned a lot of valuable information from it.  His methods obviously work in many cases, otherwise he wouldn't be who he is.

     The trainer that my dogs take classes from uses some methods that many here might find questionable.  But, they work - she has turned countless abused rescue dogs into therapy dogs (including her own 5) including breeds that were bred to not be comfortable in the prescence of strangers. Her dogs are perfect examples of balanced animals.

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  • 07-17-2008 7:17 PM In reply to jenns

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    Re: Pleasantly surprised (CM thingy)

    He has certainly added some good points to my dealing with a pack of dogs.....to the point of making it easier incorporating new arrivals to the pack.......I take snippets of all trainers and work my own program ......

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  • 07-17-2008 8:50 PM In reply to snownose

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    Re: Pleasantly surprised (CM thingy)

    I think his biggest asset is firsthand knowledge of how dogs interact with each other and as a pack.  Not many people get to really observe 40 dogs together.  His training and behavior mod I could give or take (but I think a lot of training is personal preference, what each person is comfortable with), but I think his experience with dog packs is very valuable.  I've only seen the first three seasons of his show (not sure what it's on now) but I always wished he would focus more on his own pack and tell their stories.

    That said, I have not read his books.  I have several dog books but haven't finished any.  I'm really bad at learning hands-on things by reading from a book. 

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  • 07-17-2008 9:27 PM In reply to Liesje

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    I agree with everything said. I'm not usually a judgemental person but I don't know why I acted the way I did with Him. I take what I need from different trainers and try them on Maze.

    I've only seen snippets of his show but my neighbor LOVES him. Lol. So I get to hear about each episode as it airs. I saw in the bookstore today that He has released an episode guide which I feel is a really good idea. 

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  • 08-31-2008 10:21 AM In reply to BCMixs

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    Re: Pleasantly surprised (CM thingy)

    I don't agree with a lot of what CM thinks or does but one thing I have mentioned over and over again that is a plus for him is what he does with humans. He should be called the human whisperer.

    The hardest part of his job is the same as other trainers. Getting the human to decide what is or is not acceptable in their dog. That one simple step of getting your back up and deciding this behavior is no longer tolerated, regardless of whether you use correction or treats. Simply saying I will no longer accept this is a herculean task. Once that is established he has helped most by getting the human to remember a job or task they had where they were in charge, whether it was responsibility for an office party or responsiblity for the production of a crew of say 5 people. Remember that mindset and what you did to accomplish your goals. I've seen it happen, as if it were, indeed, magic. The person stands up straighter and breathes differently. And the tone of their voice changes to one of clarity and confidence, all visual and audible cues the dog picks up on (sorry for the dangling participle). Those things alone, regardless of how you train the command, make a difference in how the dog listens to you. Most dogs will follow if someone will lead and the lead need not be by physical force. Simply assemble your dignity and lead, which can be the hardest thing. I see the same principle when I lead a crew of co-workers. They will respect someone who makes a decision now, good or bad, and expects it to be done.

    Granted, it's easier to make the transition if you've had some leadership experience in your life to model what you do with dogs. And vice versa.

    Even those people who say that they don't particularly lead dogs are, in fact, doing so. A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet (thanks, Shakespeare). And even if a human isn't actively leading, then another dog is, mainly because most dogs will follow, which is part of the mechanics of society being from the bottom up, rather than the top on down.

    To that point, there are some dogs, like some humans, who will simply go their own way, regardless of how many treats or collar pops or whatever that you can do. And we must accept those inevitabilities, too. And it isn't that such a dog is so "alpha," they simply don't follow any plan but their own, especially if they don't have any compelling reason to follow your plan.

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  • 09-26-2008 12:55 PM In reply to oranges81

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    What a nice thread. I hadn't seen it yet.

    I use a mix from a lot of different perspectives. There are a few points I differ with CM on (but not much) since I'm now raising a puppy instead of an already messed-up, adult shelter dog. I'd have to say one of the reasons I liked him so much in the first place, was he put into words a lot of the same things I was seeing, yet noone else was describing, from a social point of view.

    He does indeed whisper to humans too!

    I just noticed he has a new book coming out in the next couple of weeks.

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  • 09-26-2008 1:16 PM In reply to Angelique

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    Angelique:
    since I'm now raising a puppy instead of an already messed-up, adult shelter dog.
     

    Excuse me??!!  Puppy?  Whereza PICTURES hang it all?????  Oy..... puppy pix are compulsory are they not?

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  • 09-26-2008 7:40 PM In reply to Chuffy

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    Chuffy:

    Angelique:
    since I'm now raising a puppy instead of an already messed-up, adult shelter dog.
     

    Excuse me??!!  Puppy?  Whereza PICTURES hang it all?????  Oy..... puppy pix are compulsory are they not?

    LOL! He's almost a year old now, my dear Mr. Bitey (aka Nicki)!

    I've mentioned him before, but I haven't been on the dog boards much this summer.

    I'll try to post some pics soon!

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