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Canidae complete nutritional analysis

Last post 04-07-2008 12:05 PM by JoAnnDe. 10 replies.
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  • 04-05-2008 8:07 AM

    • JoAnnDe
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    Canidae complete nutritional analysis

    Since I provide a mix of commercial and fresh foods I wanted to do a full nutritional analysis on Prancer's diet to see if any vitamins / minerals might be in excess or deficient.    Since Prancer is sensitive to too much fat in her diet I need to find low fat, normal protein level foods.   I ended up with two canned foods (Wellness Fish & Sweet Potato and Canidae Platnium) and stuck with the NB Fish & Sweet Potato kibble.

    Wellness sent a TERRIFIC detailed spreadsheet for all their canned foods (I didn't ask for the dry since I use NB kibble).     NB doesn't "yet" have the full nutritional analysis on the Fish & Sweet Potato kibble ( !!!!).     Then I called Canidea.

    They have the info but they will only send it to Veterinarians !   So I had my Vet call them and Canidae's policy is that the Vet cannot send the information along to me !   

    NB is off my list until they can provide the nutritional analysis.

    Canidae is now off my list too.   For some reason I'm MORE upset that they have the info and won't share it then I am about NB not even having the data available.

    Has anyone had any luck getting the complete nutritional analysis from Canidae ?  (I'm looking for all vitamins and minerals - not just the stuff they show in the guaranteed analysis or the limited items on their website)

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  • 04-05-2008 11:14 AM In reply to JoAnnDe

    Re: Canidae complete nutritional analysis

    That is REALLY odd!  I will give them a call and see if they will send anything to our vet school nutrition department....I don't see how they would refuse to do that.  I also am wondering (maybe you know the answer?) their reasoning behind not wanting the consumer to see? 

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  • 04-05-2008 1:25 PM In reply to JoAnnDe

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    Re: Canidae complete nutritional analysis

    I would take them off my list too, and let them know it and why.
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  • 04-05-2008 4:52 PM In reply to JoAnnDe

    Re: Canidae complete nutritional analysis

    I have asked for nutritional analysis for only two foods: Eagle Pack Holistic Senior and Taste of the Wild Pacific Stream. John Marsman of Eagle Pack sent GOBS of information on ALL of their dry foods and more on canned cat food when I asked for it. Diamond sent their info also. Both were e-mailed to me on the very next business day. I was very satisfied. I wonder if maybe your request for the Canidae information did not somehow go astray.

    Cheryl 

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  • 04-05-2008 7:17 PM In reply to gretchensmom

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    Re: Canidae complete nutritional analysis

    I find it hard to believe they won't share it either !   I plan on calling them back and asking directly for someone in the nutrition department.   I can't imagine what the big secret is -- do they think someone can back into their recipe through the vitamin / mineral content ?   I mean really !   I know the request didn't 'go astray' as I called directly and then my vet called - we both got the same answer - and gave some BS about needing to keep some info "private".  

    As for NB - I looked in a fairly recent issue of the Whole Dog Journal and they have the nutrional breakdown for the Duck & Potato formula.   I'm going to call them back also - if they have the Duck formula why don't they have the Fish formula ?

    Grrrrrrrr

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  • 04-05-2008 11:46 PM In reply to JoAnnDe

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    Re: Canidae complete nutritional analysis

    hmm.... really strange! Hope you figure it out soon!

     

    I was wondering where you went... haven't seen you around in a while! Welcome back!

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  • 04-06-2008 7:47 AM In reply to erica1989

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    Re: Canidae complete nutritional analysis

    erica1989:
    I was wondering where you went... haven't seen you around in a while! Welcome back!

    Thanks !   I had surgery.   Haven't been able to sit at the PC for more than a few minutes at a time until recently.   I'm all better now :)  

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  • 04-06-2008 11:57 AM In reply to JoAnnDe

    Re: Canidae complete nutritional analysis

    I did not find CANIDAE customer service to very helpful.

    I like Natura so much because they are not afraid to post the N/A on their web site. Eagle doesn't go that far but I agree that John Marsman is the best in the business sending information .

     I believe you would not be happy if you saw the results, that is why they will not show you.

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  • 04-06-2008 6:01 PM In reply to JoAnnDe

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    Re: Canidae complete nutritional analysis

    Oh wow! Well. I'm glad you're back now!

     

     Good luck with the food things. I wouldn't be much help... I get all my info here!

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  • 04-06-2008 11:12 PM In reply to JoAnnDe

    Re: Canidae complete nutritional analysis

    JoAnnDe:

    Since I provide a mix of commercial and fresh foods I wanted to do a full nutritional analysis on Prancer's diet to see if any vitamins / minerals might be in excess or deficient.    Since Prancer is sensitive to too much fat in her diet I need to find low fat, normal protein level foods.   I ended up with two canned foods (Wellness Fish & Sweet Potato and Canidae Platnium) and stuck with the NB Fish & Sweet Potato kibble.

    They have the info but they will only send it to Veterinarians !   So I had my Vet call them and Canidae's policy is that the Vet cannot send the information along to me !   

    Has anyone had any luck getting the complete nutritional analysis from Canidae ?  (I'm looking for all vitamins and minerals - not just the stuff they show in the guaranteed analysis or the limited items on their website)

    Oh really! This is too bad. But it confirms my poor experience with Canidae when it comes to getting concrete info out of them.

    I only ever managed to get two figures out of them, for the dry food - sodium and iron. And I had to winkle that out of them.

    I have started feeding the canned Canidae Platinum, too - it seems to work really well with my sensitive girl and I'm very pleased with the quality.
    So yes, I too would be highly interested in having the full analysis available for this food!

    I have resigned myself to having any commercial food I want to feed on a regular basis privately tested by a nutrition analysis lab. The cost for doing just the main minerals is not too bad.

    As to why some manufacturers have the analysis for one formula of food but not another available ... I'm speculating that it's maybe related to cost. They would have to test a number of samples, from several different batches - and the cost adds up quickly. Doing the vitamins and omegas seems to be particularly expensive.
    They probably assume that they can guesstimate the values, based on their other formulas with the same range and proportions of ingredients - often it's only the protein that differs.

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  • 04-07-2008 12:05 PM In reply to FussyPoodles

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    FussyPoodles:
    I have resigned myself to having any commercial food I want to feed on a regular basis privately tested by a nutrition analysis lab.

    Yeah, I was thinking I'd have to resign myself to that too.   But in all honesty with a 13 lb dog I'd probably be more inclined to develop a balanced homecooked supplemented by kibble that I CAN get the analysis for.

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