raw, homecooked or dogfood?

• 03-01-2008 10:38 PM

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  BlackLabbie Joined on 01-27-2008 South of Boston Posts 3,048 Points 250	Re: raw, homecooked or dogfood? Reply Contact Apollo eats dry Canidae All Life Stages Chicken & Rice....he's been doing great on it....He also gets snacks, and sometimes we mix in what we're eating into his food (like pieces of steak or chicken or fish). -Stephanie blacklabbie.weebly.com Apollo- black Labrador Retriever Molson- buff American Cocker Spaniel Patty- black American Cocker Spaniel
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• 03-02-2008 6:32 AM

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  NikoAwesomo Joined on 04-18-2007 Phoenix, AZ Posts 294 Points 15

  Re: raw, homecooked or dogfood? Reply Contact Canidae Chicken and Rice - this was the first holistic dry food I fed my lab, Niko, when he was about 8 to 10 weeks old. I haven't fed the Chicken and Rice formula ever since I tried the Canidae ALS original formula (the one with chicken, turkey, lamb....).  I have stayed away from the Chicken and Rice because Canidae told me, when I asked, that it was for the international market and, due to foreign regulations (at that time), no digestive enzymes/prebiotics were added (although the amount added by pet food manufacturer is minimal, I like having a little than none at all, and I add more when I feed my lab).  Additionally, I am trying to cut back the amount of white rice I feed my lab.  Niko's "output" is much less when he is not fed white rice.  Other than that, I love the smell of Canidae Chicken and Rice....lol.

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• 03-02-2008 12:05 PM

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  BlackLabbie Joined on 01-27-2008 South of Boston Posts 3,048 Points 250	Re: raw, homecooked or dogfood? Reply Contact I never knew that....well, maybe it's time to switch to the original formula. -Stephanie blacklabbie.weebly.com Apollo- black Labrador Retriever Molson- buff American Cocker Spaniel Patty- black American Cocker Spaniel
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• 03-02-2008 2:53 PM

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  GingerDoo Joined on 02-29-2008 USA Posts 12 Points 10

  Re: raw, homecooked or dogfood? Reply Contact I don't feed my dog organs. Perhaps I don't know enough about it but in a way, I can't see trusting organs as for what the bodies send through them. I really can only stomach cooking gound meat or sometimes boilng chicken. I really don't even cook much for myself. And I did try cooking liver once. I couldn't tell when it was done because it was staying pink so I wound up practically burning it to a black crisp. And I went by someone else's recipe who is experienced with cooking liver. YUK! I don't like looking at raw meat or meat with bones in it. The meat I do buy is organic and I feel good about that. GingerDoo

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• 03-02-2008 2:55 PM

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  GingerDoo Joined on 02-29-2008 USA Posts 12 Points 10	Re: raw, homecooked or dogfood? Reply Contact i just replyed and it was posted on a page that i hadnt even been on??? GingerDoo
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• 03-02-2008 2:56 PM

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  GingerDoo Joined on 02-29-2008 USA Posts 12 Points 10

  Re: raw, homecooked or dogfood? Reply Contact I don't feed my dog organs. Perhaps I don't know enough about it but in a way, I can't see trusting organs as for what the bodies send through them. I really can only stomach cooking gound meat or sometimes boilng chicken. I really don't even cook much for myself. And I did try cooking liver once. I couldn't tell when it was done because it was staying pink so I wound up practically burning it to a black crisp. And I went by someone else's recipe who is experienced with cooking liver. YUK! I don't like looking at raw meat or meat with bones in it. The meat I do buy is organic and I feel good about that. GingerDoo

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• 03-02-2008 3:54 PM

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  mudpuppy Joined on 09-10-2007 Posts 5,991 Points 100

  Re: raw, homecooked or dogfood? Reply Contact you NEED to feed your dog organs or substitute artificial supplements to make up for their lack. Muscle meat (your ground turkey) is seriously deficient in many important minerals and vitamins that dogs need. It can take months to years for an unbalanced diet to show up in overt symptoms. Dogs don't need a diet that is 40% vegetables; in fact, they really don't need any veg. What they need is liver and heart and tripe, raw or lightly cooked, and if not, then they need supplements.

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• 03-02-2008 4:34 PM

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  brookcove Joined on 09-10-2007 Semora, North Carolina, USA Posts 5,632 Points 695

  Re: raw, homecooked or dogfood? Reply Contact  Mudpuppy is correct.  There are only a few animal sources of the B-vitamins and they are all "offal" - skin (in minimal amounts, selenium and E available in skin however), brain/nervous tissue, and liver are the main sources.  Without B-vitamins your dog is at risk for thyroid dysfunction and early senility, just for a start.  If you are not feeding grains then you are not offering any other major source for these three important micronutrients, either. That's just one example of why it's important to research a sensible and scientifically based plan for one's dog's home prepared diet.  It's one disadvantage to this approach over the commercial diets - less to really think about with the commercial diet, just select, purchase, and serve.  But, I like the flexibility, and knowing (more or less) what I'm putting in my dog's stomach.  Becca Shouse: Irena Farm, Semora, NC Cord, Ted, Gus, Zhi, Maggie, Lynn, Lu, Min and Tully - and Sam! Waiting: Bubo & Ben http://irenafarm.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/irenafarm?ref=profile

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• 03-02-2008 6:05 PM

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  jettababy Joined on 03-05-2006 Posts 147 Points 0

  Re: raw, homecooked or dogfood? Reply Contact You can go without organ meats as long as the dog gets its vitamins/minerals in a different way, like with a supplement or by using a food like whole sardines (which supply b12). I totally disagree with the fact that dogs don't need vegetables. Everyone knows that vegetables provide fiber, vitamin, minerals, and antioxidants that prevent diseases like cancer. Why on earth would you not feed them?  I know people are gonna come at me with the "our dogs are descendants from wolves" argument and should only be fed raw meat. but you know what? Many dogs today aren't really that similar to wolves anymore. My dog is incapable of surving cold weather, catching her own food, etc. She wouldn't last 5 minutes in the wild. So I don't believe in feeding my bichon a diet meant for wolves. She does best on cooked meat and veggies.

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• 03-03-2008 8:01 PM

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  FussyPoodles Joined on 12-13-2007 Posts 71 Points 0

  Re: raw, homecooked or dogfood? Reply Contact NikoAwesomo: I have stayed away from the Chicken and Rice because Canidae told me, when I asked, that it was for the international market and, due to foreign regulations (at that time), no digestive enzymes/prebiotics were added ... I'm in New Zealand, so I can answer the question about which "international" formulas are sold here. There is only one importer/distributor of Canidae products here - http://www.pawsnall.co.nz/ The formula we refer to as the 'original' one here - i.e. the one that was the first to be imported and to prove successful - is the dry Canidae ALS (4 different proteins). In fact, my girl was raised on this, 5 years ago as a puppy. Back then, it came in the original 20lb bag (9kg). These days, the ALS is called the "International" formula: http://www.pawsnall.co.nz/canidae-for-dogs/CanidaeInternational I'm not quite sure why, or what's in a name ... if you compare the nutritional info, it's copied straight from the Canidae website. The food is absolutely 100% the same. It's simply packaged in metric-size bags, more appropriate for our market. (Note that the Lamb & Rice formula, however, is still in the US pound-size bags ... simply because this is the first time they have imported it and presumably want to test the market first before investing in new metric bags.) I have bags of both the ALS and the Chicken&Rice here at home, and they are definitely exactly the same product as in North America (apart from the difference in bag sizes). Personally, I think the nomer "International" is an unfortunate one as it suggests/implies that somehow the formula is different (maybe lower quality) than the original. Britta and the fussy toy poodles

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• 03-03-2008 8:33 PM

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  GingerDoo Joined on 02-29-2008 USA Posts 12 Points 10

  Re: raw, homecooked or dogfood? Reply Contact Well I do give my dog the following daily: culturelle - all-natural dietary supplement containing the probiotic, Lactobacillus rhamnosus GG Turmeric - anit-infalammatory, kills cancer cells on contact and known for reversing alzheimers Cranberry - for good urinary tract function (as she has had problems in the past and not really anymore) anitioxidant - consisting of wheat grass 105mg, alfalfa powder 105mg, vit C 105mg,green tea powder 53mg, astragalus membranaceus 53mg, N-acetylcysteine 26mg, alpha lipoic acid 11mg, coenzyme Q-10 2mg, selenium 11mcg, vit E 53 I.U.  Other inactive ingredients are chicken liver flavor, croscarmellose sodium, dicalcium phosphate,distilled monoglycerides, magnesium stearate, microcrystalline cellulose, silicon dioxide Milk Thistle because one of liver counts was very high And she does get only about 1/4 size proin for some incontinence. I don't give it everyday but probably 4 - 5 times a week or she will trickle urine all down her leg while she sleeps. Believe me, I don't mind bathing her as she is bathed often but sitting in urine can cause urinary tract infections. And I can't let her sit in that yukky stuff. She does take a prednisone 5 mg once per day and this drug is immunosupressive, so I keep her on the cranberry about 5 - 7 days per week and she seems okay with that. She is on the Prednisone because she takes Lomustine (oral chemo drug) once every three weeks. She has never had side effects with this drug and it brought her out of a parallized stage that she was stuck in for 4 and 1/2 days. It worked in a 1 day and a half. She had a very large tumor pushing on her spine and hip that prevented her back end to move. She has been going strong on her own four paws since November which is when she couldn't walk.  Statistics show an average life span of 3 - 5 months. We are going into month 5. I think she has a little more time in her. And I want to keep her happy. But I will sprinkle some nutrional yeast on her food for the Vit B-12. Thank you. GingerDoo

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• 03-05-2008 2:38 AM

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  ketchup Joined on 02-22-2008 Posts 60 Points 5	Re: raw, homecooked or dogfood? Reply Contact guys!!:) thanks for all the replies!!! imma read all of them!!:-) what is bonemeal btw?;-) where can i buy that?
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