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• 10-30-2007 12:03 PM

  bxredkilla973 Joined on 10-27-2007 queens New York Posts 58 Points 10

  RAW?? Reply Contact i just heard about raw diet and i dont get it(learned form ppl at dog run)...the reason i am trying to learn this is because my dog is allergic to meat..but i have never tried raw meat. i have heard that there are some dogs that are allergic to cooked meat and not to raw so i would like to try this new diet to see if she is one of them but i dont know how! it seems fairly easy but i'm sre its more then just putting some raw meat in a bowl...  "the qualities you see in an animal are better then you ever see in a human" "true loyalty"

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• 10-30-2007 12:22 PM

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  bxredkilla973 Joined on 10-27-2007 queens New York Posts 58 Points 10	Re: RAW?? Reply Contact oh i forgot to ask i heard ppl are giving raw chicken and i'm concerned because i heard the bones in chicken shatter easily and can get lodged in there throat..    "the qualities you see in an animal are better then you ever see in a human" "true loyalty"
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• 10-30-2007 12:26 PM

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  JoAnnDe Joined on 01-16-2007 Clearwater, FL Posts 1,292 Points 0

  Re: RAW?? Reply Contact There are premade raw diets that you can try.   Some are balanced to AAFCO standards, some are simply ground meat and bones to which you'd add your own supplements.     You can also get some books on raw diets.   There are two schools of thought on feeding raw - one school believes that if you feed the right proportion of meat to bone you only need to add 5% liver and 5% other organ meats to meet all of the nutritional needs of a dog.  another school believes in the delicate balancing of minerals to the NRC (National Research Council) nutrient requirements of dogs. Here's a link to the "just use the right proportion of bone, liver and other organ meat" http://www.b-naturals.com/May2006.php  Here's a link where you can buy a pamplet that will lay out the proper combinations of raw foods to meet NRC guidelines http://www.monicasegal.com/catalog/product.php?cPath=25_26&products_id=81                 and one for toy dogs http://www.monicasegal.com/catalog/product.php?cPath=25_26&products_id=104 You can probably search the forum for posts on the premade raw diets to find popular / recommended brands (or others may be along to recommend some) People ask me if I think dogs go to heaven. I respond: Of course they do ! Heaven could only BE heaven if dogs are there Prancer: June(ish) 2006 - 13# poodle mix - rescue Michelle: 1994 - 2007. English Cocker Spaniel - shelter. RIP sweetheart - I'll see you again someday

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• 10-30-2007 12:52 PM

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  bxredkilla973 Joined on 10-27-2007 queens New York Posts 58 Points 10	Re: RAW?? Reply Contact  wow thanks that site was a big help... "the qualities you see in an animal are better then you ever see in a human" "true loyalty"
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• 10-30-2007 1:21 PM

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  prolibertate Joined on 10-26-2007 NY Posts 99 Points 10

  Re: RAW?? Reply Contact If you're going to do a raw diet, you'll need to do some research first, and also be prepared to spend a bunch of time this, in order to ensure your dog gets all the nutrients he needs. Also, with so many cases of e. coli and salmonella, I'd be concerned about any type of raw products, from meat to spinach. So please be careful when doing this type of diet, and make sure you research it thoroughly. Also, it may be that dogs weren't allergic to the cooked meat and not raw, but that they were allergic to what the meat was cooked in. Parboiling or baking is much better than frying any type of food for dogs. How did you find out your dog is allergic to meat?   ~ MaryAnn

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• 10-30-2007 1:27 PM

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  JoAnnDe Joined on 01-16-2007 Clearwater, FL Posts 1,292 Points 0

  Re: RAW?? Reply Contact re your raw bones question -- raw bones are fine.  cooked bones splinter.  thats not to say there are no risks with raw bones -- you need to make sure that the bones you feed are not hard enough to damage / break the dogs teeth and you'll need to take time to see if your dog is chewer or a gulper.   Gulpers would need to be watched more carefully, but alot of people take a heavy mallet to the bones first to give them a good crushing before feeding.  other people buy a fairly expensive grinder and just grind the entire piece of meat with the bone.  The majority of folks really have no problem. How DID you find out that your dog is allergic to all meat ?  One of the things you might want to try is an elimination diet.  if you do a search on that you'll come up with a ton of posts.  its really the only way to figure out exactly what a dog is allergic to (foodwise anyway).  People ask me if I think dogs go to heaven. I respond: Of course they do ! Heaven could only BE heaven if dogs are there Prancer: June(ish) 2006 - 13# poodle mix - rescue Michelle: 1994 - 2007. English Cocker Spaniel - shelter. RIP sweetheart - I'll see you again someday

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• 10-30-2007 1:47 PM

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  bxredkilla973 Joined on 10-27-2007 queens New York Posts 58 Points 10

  Re: RAW?? Reply Contact my vet told me she was allergic to meat but alot of times they maybe wrong.she might be allergic to certain types of meat but not all and i would like to put it to the test because i believe my puppy would benefit from it..if not i will keep her on the fish and veg dry food diet w/pumpkin(she has loose stool)   "the qualities you see in an animal are better then you ever see in a human" "true loyalty"

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• 10-30-2007 2:26 PM

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  mudpuppy Joined on 09-10-2007 Posts 5,991 Points 100	Re: RAW?? Reply Contact I find it hard to believe a dog is allergic to "meat" in general. Usually they are allergic to one species such as beef, or sometimes a class of animals like poultry.
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• 10-30-2007 2:43 PM

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  JoAnnDe Joined on 01-16-2007 Clearwater, FL Posts 1,292 Points 0

  Re: RAW?? Reply Contact you used the word "pup" in your last post.  How old is your dog, and what breed ?   Puppy nutrition is generally considered to need more precise management then adult dog nutrition. People ask me if I think dogs go to heaven. I respond: Of course they do ! Heaven could only BE heaven if dogs are there Prancer: June(ish) 2006 - 13# poodle mix - rescue Michelle: 1994 - 2007. English Cocker Spaniel - shelter. RIP sweetheart - I'll see you again someday

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• 10-30-2007 3:05 PM

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  bxredkilla973 Joined on 10-27-2007 queens New York Posts 58 Points 10

  Re: RAW?? Reply Contact yeah that is y i want to try this new diet because its hard to believe that my dog is allergic to meat...personally i think she was misdiagnosed but then again i could be wrong ...oh sorry she is not a puppy i just tend to call her that she is an american bulldog about 65lbs and she is almost 2 years old "the qualities you see in an animal are better then you ever see in a human" "true loyalty"

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• 10-30-2007 3:15 PM

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  JoAnnDe Joined on 01-16-2007 Clearwater, FL Posts 1,292 Points 0

  Re: RAW?? Reply Contact If you're wanting to do raw for the allergies (rather than just preferring to feed a raw diet) you might want to start with an elimination diet if you haven't.   What foods have you fed ?   What are the symptoms that are attributed to the "meat" allergy ?   for a vet to say your dog is allergic to "meat" in general s/he must have a good reason to say so ... I can't imagine a vet saying that a carnivore is generally allergic to meat without some strong feelings about that. If you want to feed raw because you think it makes sense then you probably still should start with a novel (ie: never before eaten) protein and carb.  There are folks here who have done that and I'm sure you can find prior posts about the process of doing an elimination diet.   If it IS true that your dog is allergic to "meat" then I'm not sure raw would make that much of a difference, although I have heard that happening. People ask me if I think dogs go to heaven. I respond: Of course they do ! Heaven could only BE heaven if dogs are there Prancer: June(ish) 2006 - 13# poodle mix - rescue Michelle: 1994 - 2007. English Cocker Spaniel - shelter. RIP sweetheart - I'll see you again someday

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• 10-30-2007 3:16 PM

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  JoAnnDe Joined on 01-16-2007 Clearwater, FL Posts 1,292 Points 0	Re: RAW?? Reply Contact ps - any chance of bringing your dog to another vet for a second opinion ? People ask me if I think dogs go to heaven. I respond: Of course they do ! Heaven could only BE heaven if dogs are there Prancer: June(ish) 2006 - 13# poodle mix - rescue Michelle: 1994 - 2007. English Cocker Spaniel - shelter. RIP sweetheart - I'll see you again someday
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• 10-30-2007 3:25 PM

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  Cita Joined on 12-13-2006 CT Posts 5,630 Points 850	Re: RAW?? Reply Contact Here's a good link on elimination diets! http://www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk/elimination_diet.htm  I know all this stuff can be confusing, but kudos to you for trying to do some research to help your dog.
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• 10-30-2007 3:52 PM

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  jessies_mom Joined on 09-10-2007 Indiana Posts 4,973 Points 140

  Re: RAW?? Reply Contact bxredkilla973: i just heard about raw diet and i dont get it(learned form ppl at dog run)...the reason i am trying to learn this is because my dog is allergic to meat..but i have never tried raw meat. i have heard that there are some dogs that are allergic to cooked meat and not to raw so i would like to try this new diet to see if she is one of them but i dont know how! it seems fairly easy but i'm sre its more then just putting some raw meat in a bowl...         If a dog is allergic to a certain kind of meat, he will be allergic to it whether it's in a kibble, home cooked, or raw; that's according to animal nutritionist Monica Segal. Are you feeding a cooked fish and potato diet or a kibble? If you're feeding a diet you're cooking yourself, try increasing the amount of one ingredient and decreasing the amount of the other. You could use more fish and less potato to see if that helps the stool; if not, decrease the fish and increase the potato. You should be able to help your dog's stool by adjusting the proportions of the ingredients. Also, you may want to try rice instead of potato as it's very digestible. I agree with the others that an elimination  diet is the best way to determine your dog's food allergies; they can be allergic to any foods. In addition to chicken and salmon, Jessie is allergic to potatoes.   Janice

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