That Pack O' Pits

• 01-10-2007 4:30 PM

  In reply to Nikki_Burr

  spiritdogs Joined on 09-10-2007 Posts 11,731 Points 1,020

  RE: That Pack O' Pits Reply Contact ORIGINAL: Angelique Dog = Nose, eyes, and ears. They also communicate through touch and vocalizations, and follow a leader naturally. Humans = All mouth and eyes. Yack, yack, yack, with no clue as to the subtle signals they send through smell, vocal tone, and body language which a dog reads in "dog". Oh, don't touch the dog to communicate! Conditioning is all you need as long as you are "feeling" good and getting what you want, regardless of what you are communicating indirectly to the dog (that maybe you are not leadership material or a leader one minute and a subordinant the next).  Humans deceive, manipulate, plot, conspire, and "lie" to get what they want. I've seen very little of this in dogs, mostly just manipulation. Humans also follow "unstable" leaders who deceive, manipulate, plot, conspire, and lie to get what they want. Dogs don't willingly follow unstable or "soft" leaders. Unfortunately, a dog is given little choice of who he is forced to live with. Humans will also embrace a philosophy which makes them "feel" good and look "good" to other humans. Even if that philosophy is not in the best interests of putting the needs of another before their own. And humans (modern man), go off the chart as far as "self-rewarding" behaviors. Yack, yack, yack...[] Um, so I guess the topic of butt sniffing within the pack was really off topic...[] Regional Director for Massachusetts, International Positive Dog Training Association Director, SeniorCare Pawsitive Connections Program AKC CGC Evaluator #3669 Therapy Dogs, Inc. Tester/Observer Sioux, CGC, TDInc. Maska, CGC, TDInc. Sequoyah, CGC Fergie, Retired Lap Dog, Age 20 1/2 Dancer, CGC, TDInc. (1989-2006) #1 Heart Dog In memory of Mike, please become an organ donor today. "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them and what you do not know, you will fear. What one fears, one destroys." - Chief Dan George "The fidelity of a dog is a precious gift demanding no less binding moral responsibilities than the friendship of a human being. The bond with a true dog is as lasting as the ties of this earth can ever be." ~ Konrad Lorenz

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• 01-10-2007 4:42 PM

  In reply to Nikki_Burr

  Angelique Joined on 10-04-2006 Posts 1,327 Points 200

  RE: That Pack O' Pits Reply Contact ORIGINAL: spiritdogs Um, so I guess the topic of butt sniffing within the pack was really off topic...[] Okay, back to the other OT realm. Just click your heels together three times, and pull my finger...[] "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds" Albert Einstein "There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the bank looking stupid"

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• 01-10-2007 5:01 PM

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  DPU Joined on 09-19-2006 Indiana Posts 4,497 Points 365

  RE: That Pack O' Pits Reply Contact ORIGINAL: espencer ORIGINAL: spiritdogs BTW, is it still true that the majority of Cesar's dogs are male?  Lots of them are Pits - known to be respectful of humans...  Do I notice that DPU's dogs are male?  One of them is a hound (the likeliest of all breeds to think packs are cool, no matter who's in them).  So, the advice that you give to DPU may not hurt, unless the dynamic changes.  You guys are using the human comparison to your advantage, but nymaureen has stated it best - dogs are not people, and once socialized to a particular pack, will think of others as intruders - that's pretty much hard wired behavior, in varying degrees of intensity.  Now, some dogs, having been around lots of other dogs since puppyhood (this is especially true of strays, or farm dogs, etc.) may be fine.  But, the one dog you run across that will not be fine will tear holes in someone and not give up.  Try mixing a few intact Kerry Blue terrier bitches who don't like each other in with your magical little packs and see what happens.  [:'(]  Males grr a bit, but seldom kill one another.  Females are another ballgame sometimes. Well he does not say how many are males or females but he has both of them, by the way we started with human comparison untill you brought the "your boss picks your wife" example We are going in circles here, all what you stated in your post was explained already   The majority of fosters I get are females.  The dogs that don't 'get along' with other foster's residence dog are female and are sent my way.  I have never witnessed a female fight as described on this forum by so many.  I have never witnessed a male fight.  There are tiffs but they are quickly stopped.

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• 01-10-2007 6:45 PM

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  ron2 Joined on 09-10-2007 far north central Texas Posts 11,404 Points 595	RE: That Pack O' Pits Reply Contact That's what I get for working, dang it. I missed all the butt sniffing. I guess I'll just scratch behind my ear.   The way you treat your dog in this life determines your place in heaven. - chukchi proverb
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• 01-11-2007 6:24 PM

  In reply to Nikki_Burr

  spiritdogs Joined on 09-10-2007 Posts 11,731 Points 1,020

  RE: That Pack O' Pits Reply Contact ORIGINAL: Angelique ORIGINAL: spiritdogs Um, so I guess the topic of butt sniffing within the pack was really off topic...[] Okay, back to the other OT realm. Just click your heels together three times, and pull my finger...[] Sorry, this ain't Kansas... Regional Director for Massachusetts, International Positive Dog Training Association Director, SeniorCare Pawsitive Connections Program AKC CGC Evaluator #3669 Therapy Dogs, Inc. Tester/Observer Sioux, CGC, TDInc. Maska, CGC, TDInc. Sequoyah, CGC Fergie, Retired Lap Dog, Age 20 1/2 Dancer, CGC, TDInc. (1989-2006) #1 Heart Dog In memory of Mike, please become an organ donor today. "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them and what you do not know, you will fear. What one fears, one destroys." - Chief Dan George "The fidelity of a dog is a precious gift demanding no less binding moral responsibilities than the friendship of a human being. The bond with a true dog is as lasting as the ties of this earth can ever be." ~ Konrad Lorenz

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