Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++

• 03-29-2007 10:31 PM

  pamzshihtzu Joined on 09-10-2007 Posts 38 Points 0

  Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact I debated over whether or not to post this, as I'm still just in too much shock over what I read in the article, and just don't know if this is true or not. But, I'm hoping there may be some Canadian member here, that can shed some light on this story. I got the link/info from a post on another dog forum. I thought it must have been a typo in the post, until I read the article link. Can this be TRUE?? How can dead dogs and cats be used IN "pet food" for cats and dogs???? I'm horrified, and praying it's not true. Here's the article: [linkhttp://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2001/06/04/petfood_010604.html]http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2001/06/04/petfood_010604.html[/link]   A major pet food company in Quebec says it will not longer use dead dogs and cats in its processed pet food. Sanimal Inc. processed 18,200 kg of dead cats and dogs every week. Bowing to consumer concerns, the company says it has stopped accepting the carcasses of cats, dogs, sheep and roadkill animals. "It is a question of public image," said Mario Couture, Sanimal's vice-president of procurement. [blockquote] [/blockquote] The dead animals were processed into powder and mixed with cereal to produce pet food. "This food is healthy and good, but some people don't like to see meat meal that contains any pets," said Couture. Other meat rendering companies were critical of Sanimal for using cats and dogs. Using dogs and cats 'bad public policy' Humphry Koch of West Coast Reduction in Vancouver says it's just "bad public policy". Sanimal still uses pigs and chickens. The move will cause for concern for veterinarians and animal shelters. Pet shop owner Paul Latendresse says euthanized cats and dogs could be sent to rendering plants for a small fee because it's more expensive to bury or incinerate the animals. Latendresse says some vets are already placing dead pets in freezers, not knowing what else to do. Valérie Charbonneau operates an animal-protection agency in the Eastern Townships. She says her shelter is now using landfills which costs eight times the $2,000 annual cost of having the animals rendered. Charbonneau says she doesn't see any thing wrong with the practice. The animals are dead and not being exploited.   (end of article) ***************************************************** The company, according to the article, is no longer using dead pets in the pet food (how big of them! ??? ). Seems to me, from the article, that the company didn't really see anything wrong with the practice, however. *huh?????* Ok, will someone from Canada please tell me that this is NOT a true story? I just can't fathom it.... It's sick. I tried Google'ing "Sanimal", but nothing comes up. That's what is making me wonder if this story is true or not.   Has anyone heard of this company in Quebec?

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• 03-29-2007 10:43 PM

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  Luvntzus Joined on 05-09-2006 Posts 4,216 Points 105

  RE: Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact I don't know, that's crazy though. [:-] I do remember when I worked at an animal shelter a couple of years ago, the euthanized dogs and cats were sent for rendering. Owners leaving their pets to be euthanized had to sign a form authorizing them to be rendered or not. I wonder what the other uses for rendered dead animals there are?? By the way, your Shih Tzu is GORGEOUS!!!

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• 03-29-2007 10:49 PM

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  sooner Joined on 09-10-2007 Oklahoma City Posts 3,787 Points 230	RE: Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact The article is dated June 4, 2001. I don't know about in Canada, but this no longer occurs in the US. Foods have been tested, and while they do contain euthanized cows and horses, they do not contain any dog or cat DNA. That's just in the US though.
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• 03-29-2007 10:58 PM

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  sooner Joined on 09-10-2007 Oklahoma City Posts 3,787 Points 230

  RE: Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact ORIGINAL: Luvntzus I don't know, that's crazy though. [:-] I do remember when I worked at an animal shelter a couple of years ago, the euthanized dogs and cats were sent for rendering. Owners leaving their pets to be euthanized had to sign a form authorizing them to be rendered or not. I wonder what the other uses for rendered dead animals there are?? Luvn - I copied this from a previous post by misskiwi67 How Some Rendering Industry "Products" Are Used: Non-edible tallow: Used in wax paper, crayons and soap Oleic acid: Used in foods, soaps, permanent wave solutions, shampoos, hair dyes, lipsticks, liquid make-ups, nasal sprays Glycerine: Used in inks, glues, solvents, antifreeze, cosmetics, foods, mouthwashes, toothpastes, soaps, ointments, plastics Stearic acid: Used in rubber, cosmetics, lubricants, candles, hair spray, conditioners, deodorants, creams, food flavoring, pharmaceutical products Linoleic acid: Used in paints and esters Meat meal and bone meal: Used in livestock feed and pet food. Also I think there are blood and bone meal fertilizer products.

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• 03-29-2007 11:12 PM

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  mollymoo Joined on 09-10-2006 Posts 1,391 Points 780	RE: Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact On topic - I was told animals that were rendered were used to make glue.   Off topic - You have a very gorgeous dog. The Father said I've turned my own name back to front and called you dog, My friend. -Author Unknown
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• 03-29-2007 11:21 PM

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  Angelique Joined on 10-04-2006 Posts 1,339 Points 200	RE: Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact Soylent Green Dog Chow. [:'(] "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds" Albert Einstein "There's a fine line between fishing and standing on the bank looking stupid"
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• 03-30-2007 5:48 AM

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  ron2 Joined on 09-10-2007 far north central Texas Posts 11,505 Points 595	RE: Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact Soylent Green Dog Chow   Usually, I get to make that joke but you beat me to it.   The way you treat your dog in this life determines your place in heaven. - chukchi proverb
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• 03-30-2007 8:00 AM

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  spiritdogs Joined on 09-10-2007 Posts 12,437 Points 1,045

  RE: Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact Charbonneau says she doesn't see any thing wrong with the practice. The animals are dead and not being exploited. He doesn't realize that the carcasses of these animals contain the solution that was used to euthanize them, and that the owners of live pets might not want that in their animals' food???  Is this guy an idiot?  That would be like saying it's fine to go to the supermarket for Gerber's baby food and find that it contains aborted fetuses (whether or not you are pro choice or pro life).  When will people realize that our families are as important to us as their families are to them regardless of species? Regional Director for Massachusetts, International Positive Dog Training Association Director, SeniorCare Pawsitive Connections Program AKC CGC Evaluator #3669 Therapy Dogs, Inc. Tester/Observer Sioux, CGC, TDInc. Maska, CGC, TDInc. Sequoyah, CGC Dancer, CGC, TDInc. (1989-2006) #1 Heart Dog Fergie (1989-2010) RIP my little bugaboo In memory of Mike, please become an organ donor today. "If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them and what you do not know, you will fear. What one fears, one destroys." - Chief Dan George "The fidelity of a dog is a precious gift demanding no less binding moral responsibilities than the friendship of a human being. The bond with a true dog is as lasting as the ties of this earth can ever be." ~ Konrad Lorenz

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• 03-30-2007 10:34 AM

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  ottoluv Joined on 11-27-2006 So Cal Posts 3,012 Points 525

  RE: Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact The article is dated June 4, 2001. I don't know about in Canada, but this no longer occurs in the US. Foods have been tested, and while they do contain euthanized cows and horses, they do not contain any dog or cat DNA. That's just in the US though. There actually is NOT euthanized horses, I'm going to repost the same abstract from journal of vetinary science that I've posted ten times before where they used PCR to look for different mamalian DNA in pet food. Bovine/swine were found in some samples but threre was NOT horse/cat/dog. I would encourage everyone to please read this abstract. I have no idea what they do in canada since they have not published simmilar basic science evaluation of their pet foods. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=14719710&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_DocSum Here I am stuck in the middle with you I practice societal sanctioned assault

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• 03-30-2007 10:38 AM

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  sooner Joined on 09-10-2007 Oklahoma City Posts 3,787 Points 230	RE: Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact ORIGINAL: ottoluv There actually is NOT euthanized horses Sorry, I was going off the FDA's comment, "Presently, it is assumed that the pentobarbital residues are entering pet foods from euthanized, rendered cattle or even horses." [linkhttp://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/DFreport.htm]http://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/DFreport.htm[/link]
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• 03-30-2007 10:40 AM

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  ottoluv Joined on 11-27-2006 So Cal Posts 3,012 Points 525	RE: Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact No problem Kelly I saw from the date you actually read it, I apologize I need a few more cups of coffee. Here I am stuck in the middle with you I practice societal sanctioned assault
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• 03-30-2007 6:00 PM

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  pamzshihtzu Joined on 09-10-2007 Posts 38 Points 0

  RE: Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact Sooner: Thanks for pointing out the date. I think I was so shocked to read about pet dogs and cats being used IN dog and cat food, that I didn't pay attention to the date. This makes me even sadder now, because I thought I was pretty savvy about dog nutrition issues from having been a member in so many dog groups. But, it seems I missed a lot of info!! I NEVER had heard of this before...ever! I'm still in shock. Last I heard, dogs weren't cannibals. I don't even think wolves eat one another in the wild...do they? It's just mind boggling.   Soylent Green pet food. I had to laugh a little (as I cringed from how aptly the name fits!), because that was a movie that gave me many nightmares. yikes.... [sm=eek.gif]  All this time, when I had heard about the term "4 D Meats", I had thought it referred to animals such as cows, pigs, chickens, ...and "roadkill, as in maybe dead deer, a squirrel, a possum, anything BUT "fido and fluffy".   The roadkill was horrifying enough to think about. But this? I really hope/wish that this tradgedy is going to change the way pet foods are made, and maybe even spur people to prepare their own pet foods. Again, not that people food is 100% safe, lately anyway. sheesh   ******************* Thanks to all those who had compliments for little Sedona! She sends lots of puppy kisses your way.

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• 03-30-2007 6:54 PM

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  Misskiwi67 Joined on 12-19-2006 Posts 1,176 Points 0

  RE: Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact ORIGINAL: sooner ORIGINAL: ottoluv There actually is NOT euthanized horses Sorry, I was going off the FDA's comment, "Presently, it is assumed that the pentobarbital residues are entering pet foods from euthanized, rendered cattle or even horses." [linkhttp://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/DFreport.htm]http://www.fda.gov/cvm/FOI/DFreport.htm[/link] The FDA report is from 2002. I don't know when the PCR testing was done because pubmed is being ridiculously slow. Check the dates, make sure its not outdated information. Sheila Struts Her Stuff

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• 03-31-2007 2:53 AM

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  shakila Joined on 09-10-2007 Posts 12 Points 0

  RE: Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact I'm from Canada, and although I've never heard of that company before, I have heard of domestic animals being used for pet food and yes, it includes the U.S. as well. Here's a book which delves deeply into exactly that topic which is also available at Amazon.com:   [linkhttp://www.amazon.ca/Food-Pets-Die-Shocking-Facts/dp/0939165465/ref=sr_1_1/702-1758523-9337656?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175323750&sr=1-1]http://www.amazon.ca/Food-Pets-Die-Shocking-Facts/dp/0939165465/ref=sr_1_1/702-1758523-9337656?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175323750&sr=1-1[/link]   The rendering company referred to is: [linkhttp://www.sanimal.com/]http://www.sanimal.com/[/link]             ORIGINAL: pamzshihtzu I debated over whether or not to post this, as I'm still just in too much shock over what I read in the article, and just don't know if this is true or not. But, I'm hoping there may be some Canadian member here, that can shed some light on this story. I got the link/info from a post on another dog forum. I thought it must have been a typo in the post, until I read the article link. Can this be TRUE?? How can dead dogs and cats be used IN "pet food" for cats and dogs???? I'm horrified, and praying it's not true. Here's the article: [linkhttp://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2001/06/04/petfood_010604.html]http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2001/06/04/petfood_010604.html[/link] ***************************************************** The company, according to the article, is no longer using dead pets in the pet food (how big of them! ??? ). Seems to me, from the article, that the company didn't really see anything wrong with the practice, however. *huh?????* Ok, will someone from Canada please tell me that this is NOT a true story? I just can't fathom it.... It's sick. I tried Google'ing "Sanimal", but nothing comes up. That's what is making me wonder if this story is true or not. Has anyone heard of this company in Quebec?

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• 03-31-2007 3:44 AM

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  shakila Joined on 09-10-2007 Posts 12 Points 0

  RE: Dead cats & dogs used IN pet food?? HUH?? ++ Reply Contact Here are some articles related to "Food Pets Die For"   [linkhttp://www.homevet.com/petcare/foodbook.html]http://www.homevet.com/petcare/foodbook.html[/link] [linkhttp://www.api4animals.org/facts.php?p=359&more=1]http://www.api4animals.org/facts.php?p=359&more=1[/link]   From the above article:  Because of persistent rumors that rendered by-products contain dead dogs and cats, the FDA conducted a study looking for pentobarbital, the most common euthanasia drug, in pet foods. They found it. Ingredients that were most commonly associated with the presence of pentobarbital were meat-and-bone-meal and animal fat. However, they also used very sensitive tests to look for canine and feline DNA, which were not found. Industry insiders admit that rendered pets and roadkill were used in pet food some years ago. Although there are still no laws or regulations against it, the practice is uncommon today, and pet food companies universally deny that their products contain any such materials. However, so-called "4D” animals (dead, dying, diseased, disabled) were only recently banned for human consumption and are still legitimate ingredients for pet food.

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